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1WTF is happening on VZi Empty WTF is happening on VZi 1/6/2009, 7:04 pm

Mario

Mario
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i was reading funkmaster red's thread about BB and when i clicked on the next page the complete thread disappeared confused confused confused

i have the feeling there some big shit going on behind the scenes as it were :eek:

seems a shame that someone who has put such a lot into the Vee Dub scene over so many years to a consistantly high level feels he has to jack it in cos of fuck wit gutter snipes........................fuckers :mad:

2WTF is happening on VZi Empty Re: WTF is happening on VZi 1/6/2009, 7:09 pm

Toastie

Toastie
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what was the post then mate ?

3WTF is happening on VZi Empty Re: WTF is happening on VZi 1/6/2009, 7:25 pm

Mario

Mario
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TOASTIE wrote:what was the post then mate ?

bit confusing matey but bare with me..........BB put up for sale thread in car section for his Oval......................then funkmaster spots that and starts thread in main forum or chat or wotever you wanna call it.........
loads o peeps start joinin in sticking up for BB he wirtes a bit sayin he is pissed off with it all and wants a change.....
i clicks for next page and its gone confused confused

just checked and the for sale thread is still there BUT the one in chat has DEFFO gone confused

read BB's for sale thread then that will give you an idea
here a link http://www.volkszone.com/VZi/showthread.php?t=559697 wink

4WTF is happening on VZi Empty Re: WTF is happening on VZi 1/6/2009, 7:28 pm

Toastie

Toastie
modmin

what was FM's thread title ./ was he havein a pop at bb ? ,.ps that cars nice aint it

5WTF is happening on VZi Empty Re: WTF is happening on VZi 1/6/2009, 7:34 pm

Mario

Mario
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TOASTIE wrote:what was FM's thread title ./ was he havein a pop at bb ? ,.ps that cars nice aint it

ive searched for the thread and its gone as in deleted i fink :eek:

if u read the for sale thread BRETT writes a big piece and FM copied that and used it in the thread he started.and FM was sticking up for BB sayin he shouldnt sell or give up promoting events etc then others joined in and after about page 3 the thread was/is no more

tis a nice car tho mate............ Very Happy

6WTF is happening on VZi Empty Re: WTF is happening on VZi 1/6/2009, 7:44 pm

Toastie

Toastie
modmin

this bit ? will read it in a bit . copyed it incase it gets deleted smile copy and others if it kicks off mazzer smile . rite off to the pub ,. yum yum WTF is happening on VZi 621165

I may do 'politics' on here, but I tend
not to do 'VW politics'. But when my event business partner for 17
years and one of my best friends tells me that he's parking his car and
stepping out of the event promotions, and both decisions are a result
of 'the politics', I have to say something.

Successful event promoters have to have an absolute enthusiasm for VWs
and VW shows, and a very thick skin. Others get 'found out' as
bandwagon jumpers, run out of drive, or even if perfectly well
intentioned, get worn down by negativity and criticism.

When criticism is valid and constructive, you have to be big enough to
take it. You can't please all the people all the time, but it is a
worthy ambition. When something which you have planned and committed
thought, time, money, and general blood sweat and tears disappoints
even a few, you need to face them knowing that you made an honest
attempt to produce a memorable and problem free experience. When
criticism is personal, vitriolic and devisive, it becomes harder to
take. Hardest of all, is when you have absolutely not in any sense done
what you are being accused of, and spiteful, unjustified slurs are
directed at you.

Ritchie Webb ran a 9.33 in the States recently. Now instead of posting
a news/congratulations thread here, John Maher posted to the effect
that there must be an obvious conspiracy of silence, that Ritchie must
be 'damnatio memoraiae', or worse. And that the architect of this
situation must be Brian. The truth could not be simpler. The plain fact
is that no-one had mentioned it because no-one had mentioned it. Had
John's post begun 'I haven't seen it mentioned on VZi anywhere, but
Ritchie Webb ran a 9.33 in the States', I imagine the responses would
mostly have been positive praise for the achievement. 9.33 is fucking
quick and very noteworthy, whoever is behind the wheel.

This spat, along with other contributing situations and experiences was
directly linked to Brian's reaction/decision to pack it in. That such a
negative outcome (IMHO) arose from negative posts and negative events
and situations is not a suprise to me. What is a surprise is that
someone like John Maher, who commands huge respect should begin their
post with an assumption of guilt, and seem so reluctant to accept that
they were wrong.

But it's not about just this. The entire VWDRC/OFF situation has been
driven in large part by a personal dislike of Brian amongst in
particular, some of the 'leading lights' of OFF. As happens in disputes
and disagreements, parties have told each other exactly how they feel
about each other. Brian can be abrasive, but in my 20+ years experience
of the man, could not be accused of being 'two faced'. He's a sometimes
'obnoxious scouse git' who will always say exactly what he thinks,
perhaps even if to his 'cost', in personal situations. But there are
many on here who will know from direct experience he will unselfishly
offer help or perhaps support 'just because he can'.

And when you know in your heart that you are 'well meaning' and
committed to adding whatever you can to the sum of the VW 'scene', it
fucking hurts when people talk about you as if you are the antichrist.
Actually that's not true... it fucking hurts when you understand that
others actually buy into and believe the bile.

It remains the case that any OFF members, or of course the entire club
are and have always been welcome at 'our' events, running in their own
format. If individuals have acted in ways which might reasonably
attract a degree of criticism 'in their private lives, that's something
they can reasonably expect criticism for... and nothing to do with VW
drag racing.

I'm sure that not everyone 'gets on' in any large group of people,
whatever their interests. But not taking every opportunity to 'do what
you do' for personal 'political' reasons is sad... sad for the
thousands of people who love to watch all forms of VW drag racing, and
smacks of 'cutting of your nose to spite your face'.

There is a very english obsession with sniping at people who are
'successful' in whatever field of endeavour they have 'achieved'. The
VW community will be poorer overall without Brian's committment,
enthusiasm, and sheer hard work. Whatever you feel about him
personally, and whether or not those feelings are in any way justified.











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7WTF is happening on VZi Empty Re: WTF is happening on VZi 1/6/2009, 7:48 pm

Mario

Mario
moderator

will do fella but im orf to bed soon on fookin earlies again this week Rolling Eyes

8WTF is happening on VZi Empty Re: WTF is happening on VZi 1/6/2009, 11:42 pm

wonkydonkey

wonkydonkey

:eek: :eek:

9WTF is happening on VZi Empty Re: WTF is happening on VZi 2/6/2009, 5:25 am

H

H
MOSTLY LOST

Right kids - I spoke [typed] to Bri last night after reading the Oval thread - it's quite simple really, he's utterly fucked off with folks being two faced and having political agenda's against him in the scene - he has done a hell of a lot for the whole UK VW scene and has helped a lot of people out along the way, both directly financially and with support and goodwill, a few of these people have turned around and stabbed him in the back one time too many and he's had enough.

He's sold his race car as he don't want to race anymore and he's packing up his involvement in Action - he told me to pass it on that "nobody has died" wink

I know there was talk about VZi going up for sale a couple of weeks back - we have not discussed that, and quite frankly I think it's his business not ours wink

IMHO I think it's perfectly reasonable to have had enough after 20 plus years of organizing some of the most amazing events on the planet coupled with 20 plus years of the sniping that has gone on in the background - I also think it's very sad.

10WTF is happening on VZi Empty Re: WTF is happening on VZi 2/6/2009, 5:56 am

Mario

Mario
moderator

H wrote:Right kids - I spoke [typed] to Bri last night after reading the Oval thread - it's quite simple really, he's utterly fucked off with folks being two faced and having political agenda's against him in the scene - he has done a hell of a lot for the whole UK VW scene and has helped a lot of people out along the way, both directly financially and with support and goodwill, a few of these people have turned around and stabbed him in the back one time too many and he's had enough.

He's sold his race car as he don't want to race anymore and he's packing up his involvement in Action - he told me to pass it on that "nobody has died" wink

I know there was talk about VZi going up for sale a couple of weeks back - we have not discussed that, and quite frankly I think it's his business not ours wink

IMHO I think it's perfectly reasonable to have had enough after 20 plus years of organizing some of the most amazing events on the planet coupled with 20 plus years of the sniping that has gone on in the background - I also think it's very sad.

personally i think they are cunts(scuse my language ladies Embarassed ) i dont know the fella but it is a shame after the hard work and effort he has put in over the years to Vee Dubs that the fella has to end it this way, two faced fuckers...
Good luck to the fella in what ever he puts his hand to now.
Even with me bein way oop here i remember him from years back when i was on my Dub frenzy 1st time round.
the VZI thing at the end of the day is neither here nor there, i agree with you H its his business what he does with it not anyone elses.As a "newbie" to VZI i must admit there are a few serious deluded peeps on there who need to wake up and smell the coffee beans!!! Tis is easy to type words as a faceless "persona" but its different in "real" life.

Good luck to Brian i say and fuck the two faced twats lets see how long it is before they realise what a good stalwart they have just lost wink
Again like you said H tis sad......

11WTF is happening on VZi Empty Re: WTF is happening on VZi 2/6/2009, 12:22 pm

negawskloV

negawskloV

if I had a fiver for every time Brian's 'had enough', I'd be able to buy a round wink

He does get shit that isn't due him & that must be tough... I'm sure anyone who becomes a 'name' in any area of life has to put up with similar uncalled for criticism, that's life. maybe it's best he gets out this time if it's making him unhappy

12WTF is happening on VZi Empty Re: WTF is happening on VZi 2/6/2009, 2:39 pm

Mario

Mario
moderator

negawskloV wrote:if I had a fiver for every time Brian's 'had enough', I'd be able to buy a round wink

He does get shit that isn't due him & that must be tough... I'm sure anyone who becomes a 'name' in any area of life has to put up with similar uncalled for criticism, that's life. maybe it's best he gets out this time if it's making him unhappy

you could well right there Ben, thats the thing with not knowing the fella you cant get an angle on reality.But it still stinks to me a wee bit.
i know what you mean about being a "name" i mean the amount of times ive had to hide from adoring females is unreal :eek: lol lol lol

seriously tho i got the scare of my life at Volksfling,with the amount of people who "knew" me and yet had never actually met me!! all cos of my vee dubs!! and im a nobody,just a gleek er greek fella that is living his life best way he can,so it must be hard to have that "target" on your back for people with a bigger profile!!!

do you know BB well Ben???

13WTF is happening on VZi Empty Re: WTF is happening on VZi 2/6/2009, 2:59 pm

negawskloV

negawskloV

spellbound wrote:
negawskloV wrote:if I had a fiver for every time Brian's 'had enough', I'd be able to buy a round wink

He does get shit that isn't due him & that must be tough... I'm sure anyone who becomes a 'name' in any area of life has to put up with similar uncalled for criticism, that's life. maybe it's best he gets out this time if it's making him unhappy

you could well right there Ben, thats the thing with not knowing the fella you cant get an angle on reality.But it still stinks to me a wee bit.
i know what you mean about being a "name" i mean the amount of times ive had to hide from adoring females is unreal :eek: lol lol lol

seriously tho i got the scare of my life at Volksfling,with the amount of people who "knew" me and yet had never actually met me!! all cos of my vee dubs!! and im a nobody,just a gleek er greek fella that is living his life best way he can,so it must be hard to have that "target" on your back for people with a bigger profile!!!

do you know BB well Ben???

He does get a lot more shit than he should & I know how he feels about helping folks out only to get slated behind your back... I do understand him wanting to quit. I just don't think it'll make him much happier leaving a 'scene' he's been a big part of for 30 years and as I said he's felt like this before & come through it

Only he can decide where his path lies and I hope he makes the best decision for him & not rash decisions in anger/depression.

do I know him well? er...yes & no. I'd call him a friend but then I can't say I've ever been round his for a cuppa lol It was nice but equally surprising to get an invite to his 50th & a Christmas card last year... I have a lot of time for Brian but I don't know him that well I guess

14WTF is happening on VZi Empty Re: WTF is happening on VZi 2/6/2009, 3:33 pm

Mario

Mario
moderator

negawskloV wrote:
spellbound wrote:
negawskloV wrote:if I had a fiver for every time Brian's 'had enough', I'd be able to buy a round wink

He does get shit that isn't due him & that must be tough... I'm sure anyone who becomes a 'name' in any area of life has to put up with similar uncalled for criticism, that's life. maybe it's best he gets out this time if it's making him unhappy

you could well right there Ben, thats the thing with not knowing the fella you cant get an angle on reality.But it still stinks to me a wee bit.
i know what you mean about being a "name" i mean the amount of times ive had to hide from adoring females is unreal :eek: lol lol lol

seriously tho i got the scare of my life at Volksfling,with the amount of people who "knew" me and yet had never actually met me!! all cos of my vee dubs!! and im a nobody,just a gleek er greek fella that is living his life best way he can,so it must be hard to have that "target" on your back for people with a bigger profile!!!

do you know BB well Ben???

He does get a lot more shit than he should & I know how he feels about helping folks out only to get slated behind your back... I do understand him wanting to quit. I just don't think it'll make him much happier leaving a 'scene' he's been a big part of for 30 years and as I said he's felt like this before & come through it

Only he can decide where his path lies and I hope he makes the best decision for him & not rash decisions in anger/depression.

do I know him well? er...yes & no. I'd call him a friend but then I can't say I've ever been round his for a cuppa lol It was nice but equally surprising to get an invite to his 50th & a Christmas card last year... I have a lot of time for Brian but I don't know him that well I guess
tis a twat when the back biting starts :mad: im sure he will find his own direction, just seems a shame to me that after all the work/effort etc he has put in over the years that it could end with a sour taste :eek:
sometimes all it takes is a rest from it all, i was "really" into my dubs about 15 20 yrs ago but got fucked off and fucked about by people so i sold everything i had, bugs,tools welders everything and now here i am back at it :eek:
but i wouldnt have it any other way wink

15WTF is happening on VZi Empty Re: WTF is happening on VZi 2/6/2009, 3:52 pm

negawskloV

negawskloV

yeah he's gonna take some time over Winter & see what he's doing. It's the drag racing side of our hobby that's causing him shit so maybe he'll just quit that... we'll see smile

I also took a few years out of it a while back when I split from my then GF after 10 years... never thought I'd come back to it at the time but eventually I did... it's difficulty not to eh?! lol

16WTF is happening on VZi Empty Re: WTF is happening on VZi 2/6/2009, 7:38 pm

Mario

Mario
moderator

negawskloV wrote:yeah he's gonna take some time over Winter & see what he's doing. It's the drag racing side of our hobby that's causing him shit so maybe he'll just quit that... we'll see smile

I also took a few years out of it a while back when I split from my then GF after 10 years... never thought I'd come back to it at the time but eventually I did... it's difficulty not to eh?! lol

yup once ur bitten dude ur bitten wink lol lol

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